Tink8792 wrote:/edit: this guy is running a 970 in a PCIE 1.1 slot.
This isn't exactly my question he is running one GPU in 3 different systems all with modern CPUs.
Your question was regarding a modern GPU in an older system right? The specs on his channel are:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.00 Ghz @ 4.0 Ghz OC
- MOBO: Asustek P5K PRO P35 chipset
- RAM: 4x1GB 800Mhz DDR2 @ 889Mhz CL6 Dual Channel
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- Intel i7 920 C0 2.66 Ghz @4.0 Ghz ~H2O
- Gigabyte EX-58 UD5 (latest bios)
- 3x2GB Corsair 1600 CL9 Tri-ch
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- Intel Core i5 4460 3.2 Ghz (Turbo @ 3.4 Ghz)
- Gigabyte H97-HD3
- 2x4GB GeIL EVO Veloce 1600 CL9
The Asustek P5K PRO P35 mainboard and the E8400 is pretty old. Like 9 years old. It is an LGA 775 board, which is the same socket I was using back with my E6400 and Q6600, which I purchased sometime 2007/2008 (mine is still in use today - I gave it to my old man). Surely this qualifies as pretty similar vintage to what you are using? Xeon 5400 was released August 2008, so it would appear to be the same vintage to me.
I am working backwards I have the one system and want to test 3 different PCI versions.
PCI 1.0, 2.0 & 3.0 (did find out that NVIDIA doesn't have a 2.1 card)
That video showed a test of a single graphics card in 3 different systems. From what I understand, you are interested in a modern graphics card in an older system. One of the tests was exactly that, specifically the E8400 in the ASUS P5K PRO
I maybe making a bigger deal out of this, because if I understand the current standard there is a much less load on the CPU and more is handle by the GPU.
Depends on the game. It is true that the current version of WoW is more GPU hungry than it was several years ago. About 3 or 4 years ago they updated the graphics engine and it shunted more work from the CPU to the GPU.
But since I will only have 1/3 the preformance and by NVIDA that is a really bad thing, 1/2 is acceptable so one gen down is ok.
It is the bandwidth available to feed data to the GPU that we are talking about. As has already been established, on a PCIE 1.0 x16 slot you would end up with 4000MB/s which is around 1/4 the available to a PCIE 3.0 x16 slot which is 15760MB/s. Various people who have tested these things, have ended up showing negligible difference between running a modern GPU on a PCIE 3.0 x16 slot at 15760MB/s and a PCIE 3.0 x4 slot at 3940MB/s. As a PCIE 3.0 x4 slot (3940MB/s) has slightly less bandwidth than a PCIE 1.0 x16 slot (4000MB/s), it would appear that any FPS difference is going to be differences in signalling, which should not have that larger impact.
With my own testing the older RADEON card spanks the hell out of the gt 730 card i tested. But found out I needed a GTX series.
A 730GT is a pretty shit card really (it was a rebadged something else low spec - pretty much anything under an x60 of Nvidias tended to be in a range of "Not good for gaming"). A look around shows it on a similar level to a AMD Radeon HD 6670, or an Intel Graphics 540. An AMD 6950HD or 6970 would be a marked improvement over it.
A 780GTX should be much better in terms of performance than all the aforementioned cards, but then it may be you are in fact hitting bandwidth issues on the bus. Mutliboxing requires a lot of resources, and it is not a thing which is normally tested by those people who have the inclination and the job to measure such things. It just may be a case that when running multiple instances of the game, there is no optimization of the graphics pipeline so it ends up moving the same data up and down the bus to the card for each game instance, and thus floods the available capacity of a more limited bandwidth. If you have a 780GTX, and it is not providing a marked improvement over your AMD 6900 series card, then I'd have to guess that you are being impacted by limited bandwidth somewhere in the rest of the system. No doubt this can be measured in the same way that some of these hardware testers do.
It's not definitive, but this list shows graphics cards and their relative performance.
https://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpuIMO you should be able to run a current day Nvidia card on your motherboard. I also think you would be able to get mostly decent performance out of it for the majority of single instance games. For the odd game, I'm pretty sure you will be restricted (Battlefield 4 looks to be one of those for example).
What I am unsure of is whether you would end up bottlenecked with multiboxing WoW as the hardware testers normally don't test WoW anymore, and they definitely don't normally test multiboxing. I also am unsure of what impact the rest of the data pipeline around your system will be. We are talking DDR2 667, SATA II, DMA (v1?), offloaded PCIE to northbridge (slower clock) etc. While it may have been suitable previously, the application (game) has moved on, and so have the specs required for it.
It might just be like trying to run Windows XP on a i386/ ios7 on an iPhone4 / Win7 on a Pentium III 1266... etc You could do it, but the experience was just <flushing noises>.... I have done a few of these, and the upgrades I've attempted to make it better, just haven't worked out because you need to manage the whole pipeline. I could use a car engine analogy here.
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Okay another link as I realised one of the earlier ones was AMD Fury X PCIE scaling. This one is NVidia 1080 PCIE scaling.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVI ... s_Scaling/To my quick looksee, the NVidia is slightly more impacted with the PCIE bandwidth than the AMD, but it depends on resolution and the game (so some of it may just be bias of that game anyway). There are several conclusions one could make from the numbers, but they're pretty much summed up at the end of the article.
Then this comes back to what the original question "what would you recommend". I'd still recommend a 1070 if that is within your budget. It'll perform well given the freedom to do so. It
should perform well on your system if the capacitors are still up to it, but the caveats will end up being on the remainder of the pipeline. On the other hand, it would be just there, should you find the need to update the remainder of the aging platform.