Is ISBoxer allowed in EQ2? (yes)

why am i Suspenend

Discussion Thread
Response (GM Euronyma) 09/25/2010 02:49 PM
Hello,


The multi-boxing macro software is considered a third-party program and so is also against our game EULA. It allows you to automate the actions of your characters, and in some cases boosts the speed of your characters through "hack" like means, so it would have been picked up on our detection. Any sort of automation is considered to be unfair to other players, even if you're behind the keyboard. So, yes your ISboxer program would be something you'll want to uninstall. Essentially, anything that automates your characters or alters their abilities in a way that the game would not normally allow is going to be picked up by us and disciplinary action will be taken. If you have any other questions about this, let us know!

GM Euronyma
SOE Customer Service
Everquest II

Thank you just giving you guys beware

[lax]

ISBoxer does not allow you to automate the actions of your characters, nor boost the speed of your characters, nor "hack" by any means. "Third-party software" means nothing other than "not created by the first or second parties" (you, and SOE) and only certain types of third-party software are prohibited by the EULA. I don't think that particular GM knows much about ISBoxer, nor the EULA for that matter. I'll see what I can do.

p.s. with that said, if their software detection picked something up, it probably wasn't ISBoxer

The program I was using at the time was a crafting program
I asked the GM is isboxer was against Eula
I don't want to get bannend so please find out.

It looks like you're leaving some information out, and your grammar isn't helping much... you said you were using a crafting program, which is more than likely a bot and thus the reason you were banned. you probably then asked a "Oh by the way..." question, regarding isboxer. I don't think GM's follow every available program out there, and just went with the assumption that your crafting program was called ISBoxer. They gave you the typical answer regarding botting and just used the ISBoxer name in there.
It sounds like your account is going to be banned regardless of what you do. If you end up getting another account, and want to multibox I'd suggest using ISBoxer and NOTHING else.

[lax]

The program I was using at the time was a crafting program
I asked the GM is isboxer was against Eula
I don't want to get bannend so please find out.

Thanks for clearing up your suspension. It's not a matter of finding out for myself, I've been in the multiboxing software business since 2004, practically exclusive to SOE products until WoW came out. And finding out for others isn't a particularly easy task either. Here's a fun factoid for you, I contacted SOE in ... 2000 or 2001, asking them to approve of my distribution of EQWatcher, a popular log parser at the time, since it's in their Terms of Service (or was, if it isn't anymore) that you're not supposed to distribute any EQ-related software without express written permission. So I asked for express written permission. They told me that SOE is not in the business of evaluating software, and that I should immediately cease distributing EQWatcher. A *log parser* with no direct interaction with the game whatsoever. Needless to say, I did not stop developing EQWatcher and SOE has never contacted me since. About anything. I even have my original accounts I signed up in 2000. Since then I also wrote EQPlayNice and WinEQ, both very popular at that time, and WinEQ 2. All of those focused on multiboxing SOE games!

So anyway, if what you are looking for is a post from SOE directly stating that ISBoxer is okay to use, you will not find it for legal reasons. You will also not find it from Blizzard, or CCP, or Turbine, or other companies that gracefully allow ISBoxer to be used in their games. That's because (among other reasons) they don't want to be caught in a situation where they say X program is allowed, and then something happens outside of their control that invalidates what they previously said about it being okay to use. It's a liability. Say some random guy starts selling a new program and he gets it approved for use, then he puts in a keylogger. Well now the players are partly going to blame the game publisher, just for saying it's okay to use. It'd be a huge mess.

So anyway, the information here http://isboxer.com/index.php/is-isboxer-allowed is accurate. There's not much I can do about your crafting suspension since that's obviously against the rules, but if someone says they got banned or suspended for using ISBoxer I will of course try to help.

The program I was using at the time was a crafting program

What was the name of the crafting program you were using?

[lax]

He was using one that got a bunch of people banned recently, obviously. This is not the place to discuss such programs.

I know, I didn't mean to discuss it in detail on using it or anything. I just wanted to know the name cause I was going to look it up and let him know specifically that whatever crafting program he had was DEFINITELY against the EULA, as almost all the crafting programs are since they do automate gameplay.

Sorry about my grammer Im a bit scared to use 3rd party programs.
So I asked another question, To Soe and this was there response was.

 Subject
I want to muiltbox
 
 Discussion Thread
 Response (TSR Stephen H.) 09/29/2010 03:55 PM
Greetings

The first thing is that we do not support multi-boxing in regard to technical support or offer any special services to multi-boxers. Software multi-boxing is
not a bannable offense in itself, however there is a fine line between multi-boxing and automation, depending upon how it is done. Pressing one button to have multiple characters perform an action simultaneously would constitute automation, however mapping abilities to different keys to control characters would be allowed (example would be Q using a heal or buff macro on your priest and Z Taunting something on your Warrior). The best way to think of it is if you control multiple characters with 1 button press, that's going to be considered automation, you must be actively controlling the characters in question. The other restrictions are that you must be at the keyboard and able to respond to a GM within a timely manner if necessary.

Lax has already summed this up pretty well in his post above about "liability". So read that again.

Also, you got busted using a crafting program which is definitely against the EULA. You then drag ISBoxer's name into your defense, which is of course going to make the GMs tell you that you can't use it.

Then you create another post asking about multiboxing. If I was a GM, and saw that you got busted before and now you're asking about something else, I'd tell you that it wasn't allowed either cause I am assuming YOU are going to use it improperly since you've already proved yourself in that regard.

Just be smart about it and don't abuse it and you'll be fine using ISBoxer.